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VisualEditor now active here[golygu cod y dudalen]

Click this icon while in VisualEditor for a link to the User Guide.

Hello again (and again, apologies for using English on this page. Please do translate my message, if you can!).

As some of you have noticed, this Wikipedia now has VisualEditor (VisualEditor or "VE") enabled for all users. There are now two tabs for editing: "Golygu" and "Golygu cod y dudalen". Click "Golygu" to use VisualEditor. Click "Golygu cod y dudalen" to edit using wikitext markup.

All edits using VisualEditor will be tagged with "Tag:VisualEditor" in recent changes, watchlists, and page histories. To access the User Guide for VisualEditor, click on the "(?)" icon in VisualEditor's toolbar. If you wish to disable VisualEditor, this can be done under "Editing" in your preferences.

Please report any software "bugs" or errors you find at MediaWiki’s VisualEditor Feedback page. Translations for the user interface and its help guide are still needed: you can learn how to support your community with this and other tasks at this instructions page. Please contact me if you need further help though. Happy editing, User:Elitre (WMF) (talk) 15:09, 30 Mawrth 2015 (UTC)

Dwi'n siwr fod llawer o waith wedi mynd i mewn i hyn ond yn fy marn i, Naw wfft iddo! Nid gwelliant yw hyn o gwbl ond "dumbing down" a cham i'r cyfeiriad anghywir sy'n newid naws Wicipedia. Anatiomaros (sgwrs) 23:20, 30 Mawrth 2015 (UTC)
Hey Anatiomaros, thanks for your feedback. I think easier editing in 2015 is the simplest way to reverse the editors'decline the communities have now experienced for years. I'm sure that even cy.wiki might benefit from getting new blood. Regards, --Elitre (WMF) (sgwrs) 23:35, 30 Mawrth 2015 (UTC)
Thank you Elitre (WMF). As I said above, I'm sure a great deal of work has gone into this and it may well encourage new editors to "have a go" - and goodness knows we need that! - but as an "old hand" I think I'll stick with the old way. For a number of reasons, I hope that the traditional wiki editing method will always be an option for editors, even if Visual Editor is the default option, as seems to be the case now. I personally find it much easier, more flexible and quicker that way. Regards, Anatiomaros (sgwrs) 23:53, 30 Mawrth 2015 (UTC)
Absolutely! The wikitext editor is still there, just go with whatever works for you. I've been around for 10 years or something now, and there are some things I still find easier with wikitext (some copy/paste routines which aren't currently supported by VE yet). But then again if I look at things like table editing in VE... there's no turning back, really. Anyway, I would really appreciate if you could help me find users on this wiki which could help with the tasks I listed here for your community's convenience. Thanks, --Elitre (WMF) (sgwrs) 00:06, 31 Mawrth 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, glad to hear the wikitext editor will always(?) be around. I liked this: "Tip: Experienced users may make more mistakes than expected, as they need some time to adapt to the new environment". I'm sure there will be more feedback here over the next few days. As I see it there are pros and cons to VE; making those awkward and annoying tables etc easier to edit is to be welcomed but on the other hand for most edits I think I'll always prefer seeing the full editable text before me; I'd even say that it is an essential part of the wikipedia experience. Anyway, keep an eye on here and maybe there will be a more positive response from others - I'm stuck in my ways, I guess! Ciao, Anatiomaros (sgwrs) 00:38, 31 Mawrth 2015 (UTC)

VisualEditor News #2—2015[golygu cod y dudalen]

19:48, 10 Ebrill 2015 (UTC)

I hate your new editor, I have clicked on golygu thousands of times in order to edit a page - every time I do so without thinking now I have to waste time waiting for it to load so that I can switch it off! Writing an article takes little time - I can write a biography of an MP in about an hour, what takes time is putting the code in to the biography to make it Wicipidia ready, but rather than help with that the visual editor hinders it. It adds bloated code (such as span CY) it preserves Word line brakes etc, all of which have to be removed in the code edit view and it doesn't help with the really time consuming tasks like creating succession boxes, election boxes etc

Mae'n methiant llwyr, gwell gennyf byddid cael ei wared o'r safle AlwynapHuw (sgwrs) 04:26, 15 Ebrill 2015 (UTC)

Hi AlwynapHuw. Thanks for taking the time to leave feedback. If you wish to disable VisualEditor, this can be done under "Editing" in your preferences. If you don't disable it, keep in mind you can make changes in VisualEditor and immediately switch to Golygu cod... just clicking on its tab - you can maintain the changes and you'll be able to perform more advanced editing then. If span tags are added, that's a bug or a regression of a bug - I'll take a look at recent changes to see if I find instances of them to report to developers. The reason why you don't find template editing easier yet is that templates at cywiki may still lack TemplateData, which is the information VE needs in order to read them correctly. See how they look like for the succession box template at enwiki. I'd appreciate if you could test at that wiki the templates you use more frequently (please feel free to use my sandbox there if you want) and tell me how that goes. I'm also interested in getting specific feedback that I can report to developers to make VisualEditor a better tool for this wiki as well. Best, --Elitre (WMF) (sgwrs) 14:20, 15 Ebrill 2015 (UTC)
I have found some edits where nowiki tags where added. This happened because the editor tried to copy/paste wikicode inside VisualEditor, which is not how VE is supposed to work. Therefore this is not a bug, editors just need to use VE's tools to make, for example, a citation, or text in italics. --Elitre (WMF) (sgwrs) 12:59, 16 Ebrill 2015 (UTC) PS: span bug reported.

Wow! Plis, na! Mae'n drwsgwl ac yn erchyll i'w ddefnyddio. Mae'n sicr yn mynd i'n stopio fi rhag golygu/ychwanegu erthyglau Blogdroed (sgwrs) 14:56, 18 Ebrill 2015 (UTC)

Blogdroed, I'd appreciate if you or anybody else could translate the following sentence in Welsh: If you wish to disable VisualEditor, this can be done under "Editing" in your preferences. For clarity, nobody here or elsewhere must use VE if they don't want to, so I'm providing the instructions to allow you to hide it. Thank you. --Elitre (WMF) (sgwrs) 12:36, 19 Ebrill 2015 (UTC)
Pinging User:Llywelyn2000 who provided quite different feedback in the past :) --Elitre (WMF) (sgwrs) 12:41, 19 Ebrill 2015 (UTC)


VisualEditor News #3—2015[golygu cod y dudalen]

12:42, 13 Mehefin 2015 (UTC)

Please join the 2nd edition of the VisualEditor Translathon[golygu cod y dudalen]

VisualEditor-logo-pacifico.svg

Hello!

I'm pleased to announce the 2nd edition of the VisualEditor Translathon.

It is a translation rally, focused on interface messages and help pages related to VisualEditor. In order to participate, you need to sign up on the Translathon page on TranslateWiki.

The top 3 contributors will each win a Wikipedia t-shirt of their choice from the Wikipedia store[1]. Translations made between July 15th and July 19th (CDT time zone) qualify[2].

If you are at Wikimania Mexico this year, you are also welcome to join a related sprint during the hackathon in Workplace 1 - Don Américo, Thursday 16 July at 4pm (CDT) at the conference venue, so you can meet other fellow translators and get support if you need some.

Interface messages have the priority. You will need to create an account at translatewiki.net in order to work on them, if you don't have one. It is recommended to create the account ASAP, so that it can be confirmed in time.

You can also help translate documentation pages about VisualEditor on mediawiki.org. You can use your Wikipedia account to work there.

You will find instructions, links and other details on the Translathon page.

Thanks for your attention, and happy translating!
Elitre (WMF) 20:56, 13 Gorffennaf 2015 (UTC)

  1. You can choose between any short-sleeve shirt, or other items for the same value.
  2. This means both new translations, and updates for messages in the "Outdated" tab of the translation interface.

Sylw bach[golygu cod y dudalen]

Yr unig dro y byddaf yn ei ddefnyddio ydy i newid data o fewn tablau. Llywelyn2000 (sgwrs) 06:55, 10 Awst 2015 (UTC)

Dwi'n delio gyda cod (fwy cymleth na Wici) bob dydd ac yn y gorffennol dwi wedi defnyddio y golygydd testun plaen a ceisio defnyddio y tagiau cywir ac ati, am ddim llawer o fudd fel arfer. Ond os oes yna ffordd haws o gyflawni pethau yn gyflymach yn y gwaith neu fel gwirfoddolwr fan hyn mi wnai gymryd e. Os ydw i yn treulio hanner awr yn gwneud ymchwil dwi ddim eisiau treulio hanner awr arall yn fformatio hynny yn gywir a chofnodi cyfeiriadau a chreu dolenni ac ati. Yn amlwg mae na nifer o bethau sy'n amhosib neu anodd ei wneud gyda'r golygydd gweledol, ond o ran ehangu cynnwys y Wici yn gyflym mae'n ddefnyddiol tu hwnt. Dafyddt (sgwrs)
Mae'r ymdrech werth ei ganmol, ti'n iawn, ond mae ganddyn nhw gythgam o ffordd i fynd i symlhau'r holl beth os mai dyna ei nod! Llywelyn2000 (sgwrs) 12:48, 10 Awst 2015 (UTC)