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Hello, and welcome to Welsh Wicipedia. I hope you decide to hang around and join our happy band, as we're a bit short-staffed at the moment! So far, we don't have many FAQs and suchlike translated, but eventually the localisation file will be translated and all the editing commands will be in Welsh overnight. We've set up Y Caffi as somewhere to chat over the 'pedia.

At the moment none of the contributors are particularly confident about writing in complex Welsh, so don't feel inhibited if your Welsh isn't BBC standard (and if it is, so much the better!). Eventually we'll improve together :)

-- Arwel 20:25, 5 Nov 2003 (UTC)

My welsh is not that good, since I last learnt it about 5 years ago. I will be mostly be editing with what I remember (little!), and using the English-Welsh dictionary.

-- Paul 19: 43, 6 Nov 2003 (UTC)

That's OK, good luck with your project! By the way, I can see how you got "Deyrnas Gyfunol" for UK, but the usual translation (a la the Oxford Pocket Modern Welsh Dictionary) is "Y Deyrnas Unedig". Regards, -- Arwel 23:40, 7 Nov 2003 (UTC)


Hi Paul. You mean the superscripted fed in the century heading? Looks nice, but I think it does mean that we wouldn't be able to link to articles on the particular century since I don't think the software likes superscripts and subscripts in article names (not that we are linking to the current century anyway!). We'll have to go through the years adjusting the decades to just have the 5 each side of the current one anyway, so there'll be scope for tidying up then. All these year/month/date articles offer us a chance to keep ahead of the Occitan and Frisian Wikipedias which hit 100 articles in the last week or two! -- Arwel 20:01, 20 Nov 2003 (UTC)


I was wondering why you were speeding through the year pages.
The site statistics page says we have 125 articles on this site (202 including talk pages, etc.) Paul

Yes, I'm stopping at 2020 which will take us past 150 articles, and will hopefully give us a growth factor of about 140% by the time the next multilingual statistics update happens! The count will drop a little when we apply the language localisation file so all the instructions appear in Welsh and it recognises that pages that start "Wicipedia:" aren't ordinary pages! -- Arwel 21:55, 20 Nov 2003 (UTC)


Blwyddyn Newydd Dda! :)


Paul, please read Sgwrs:20fed_canrif,or en:20th_century. Centuries run from xx01 to (xx+1)00, not from xx00 to xx99. Arwel 11:35, 9 Maw 2004 (UTC)


can you give me translations of:

  • List of National Leaders; Rhestr Arweinwyr Cenhedlaethol
  • Head of State; Pennaeth Gwlad
  • Head of Government Pennaeth Llywodraeth.
-- Arwel

Hi Paul, I'm not sure what you were trying to do with your last edit to Siôr I o Brydain Fawr, but it made no sense, so I reverted it. Deb 19:16, 19 Ebr 2004 (UTC)

I am adding the birth names of the monarchs. They are in english, because unlike the ruling name (e.g. George I > Sior I), they cannot be translated.
Hmm. I think you may find that George I's "birth name" was Georg Ludwig. Deb 18:32, 20 Ebr 2004 (UTC)
I'll just back to the calendar then. Paul

Italian[golygu cod y dudalen]

Dear Paul: Nice to see you back! Thanks for your Italian translation. There had been a discussion about the number of languages, and the result was that three are enough - see the discussion at Wicipedia:Y Caffi/archif/3 (9: Temporary:Cymraeg). So before adding the Italian text, shall I put another message into the Caffi for you? It might be an idea to add the additional translations to an extra page and link that to Hafan. What do you think? --Okapi 23:32, 31 Aws 2004 (UTC)

I didn't read the discussion from the Caffi, because I have not been here for a while, so I missed it. I think that is a very good Idea, put translations of the three most popular languages on Hafan, and have other language translations on another page. The more we do to help promote Welsh, in the world, the better. It is Learn Welsh week next week, so the timing is right. Paul
Right-ho! I've added a link to Hafan and a message to the Caffi. Let's see what the others think. Hwyl, --Okapi 06:16, 1 Med 2004 (UTC)

Birthday[golygu cod y dudalen]

Ooh, you share a birthday with my brother :-) I'mn 23 and am starting to learn welsh for the first time via the BBC's Learn Welsh site. Besides that, do you have any tips for me? How would my name be spelt in Welsh? Nickshanks 15:14, 6 Tach 2004 (UTC)

I learnt Welsh in school, but have forgotten a lot of it, so I mostly work on lists, and things that don't use much grammer. I'm currently learning Eidaleg, which is good, but I will re-learn Welsh in the future. I don't find the BBC Learn Welsh site as good as their Learn French, Italian, etc. sites. I don't know what your name is in Welsh, but here's a tip: Find out what Soft Mutation is (and then tell me, because I don't know :-) ) Paul-L 16:32, 11 Tach 2004 (UTC)


Dictionary[golygu cod y dudalen]

Hello. I saw there is a few article requests from Poland. I have an idea to do mini dictionary for article translating. If You have a minute please translate sentences below into this wikipedia language:

  • city in poland
  • located on the south/north/west/est/center part
  • population
  • area
  • capital of the
  • voidship
  • city rights

Thats All. This sentences help us make STUB article about Polish cities. Best Regards Stimoroll

English wikipedia: cause for concern[golygu cod y dudalen]

Annwyl Paul. Please forgive me using English. If you frequent the English wikipedia, you may be aware of the existence of [[Category:Welsh-speaking people]]. This has been nominated for deletion, on the grounds that all "similar" categories, eg. English-speaking people, would be "too big". I'm not prepared to die in a ditch over it, but I do feel that it's an obvious exception. If you have an opinion, would you care to get over there sharpish, and contribute to the debate? Deb 11:53, 7 Gorffennaf 2006 (UTC)

Gair o ddiolch[golygu cod y dudalen]

Hi Paul, Diolch am osod y llun o Sei Shōnagon yn ei briod le. Ces i anawsterau mawr wrth drio ei osod yno fy hun. Sut mae cael llun bawd mewn erthygl o lun da' chi wedi llwytho i fyny i Wikipedia? Dwi wedi chwilio yn Wikipedia: Sut i olygu tudalen ond dwi fawr callach ar ôl wneud hynny! Hoffwn hefyd gael gwybod sut i greu blychau testun ymyl y dalen, e.e. ar gyfer rhestrau neu bwnc arbennig. Fel y gwelwch, dwi'n newydd i Wikipedia (fel cyfrannwr, o leiaf), ac yn dal i geisio teimlo fy ffordd o gwmpas. Gyda llaw, dwi'n gweld eich bod wedi dileu fy llofnod a stamp amser o waelod yr erthyglau. Yr unig reswm dwi wedi rhoi nhw yno yn y lle cyntaf yw bod y botwm ar gael ar yr offer golygu. Be di'r pwynt o'r llofnod felly? Buaswn yn gwerthfawrogi unrhyw gymorth a goleuni medrwch chi gynnig imi ar y pwyntiau hyn. Oes angen rhoi llofnod yma ichi nabod pwy sy'n sgwennu? Mi wna'i beth bynnag!--Anatiomaros 16:36, 14 Awst 2006 (UTC)

Translation of sorts...[golygu cod y dudalen]

Hi Paul, I guess I should have checked your Defnyddiwr page first then I'd have seen that you're a Welsh learner. Drwg gennyf. I think i've solved the two questions I asked, namely how to get a thumb of an uploaded picture inserted (see the short entry on Kukai I've just come from, for instance) and the correct use of the automated signature+time function. I understand the latter is for Sgwrs etc and solved the former by copying the appropriate hml code from an article. I still find the answers on some Tudalennau Arbennig a bit wanting. Sometimes links are missing, for instance. Another question I'd like your help with is how to create boxed text (e.g. for a picture with comment or for a supplementary list). It's not essential but on the other hand I feel it's important for the Wikipedia Cymraeg to look as professional as possible. I'm not an absolute novice when it comes to these things but on the other hand I'm a bit wary of attempting long and complicated commands that may put a spanner in the works! Would appreciate your help on these and any other technical points that may crop up. By the way, I'm not far from you - live at Penmaenmawr. Diolch, Fôn PS Followed the instructions for putting a Babel box on my Tudalen Defnyddiwr just now, after seeing one on yours, but it doesn't work! What am I doing wrong?--Anatiomaros 20:11, 16 Awst 2006 (UTC)

"Y gwrthddiwigwyr cymreig"[golygu cod y dudalen]

Hello Paul, I've taken the liberty of reposting the article Y gwrthddiwygwyr cymreig under the new entry Y Gwrthddiwygwyr Cymreig, for obvious reasons. The original page remains, without the text, with a link to the new location. Can you or someone else delete the old page? The article itself is well-written and erudite but the author uses the first person singular several times; "Ni chredaf..." etc. Also no internal links but I'll try and get around to that later. Don't know if this is in your remit but I don't know who else to contact. (Whoops - forgot my signature!) - (Fôn) - --Anatiomaros 17:37, 21 Awst 2006 (UTC)


Grazie[golygu cod y dudalen]

Hwyl Paul You lives in a beautiful part of the world that I visited many times. I'll try to do my best to enrich the Italian Wikipedia with entries on Wales. I just wrote the entry Afon Wys in Italian. Unluckily I can't give more help to Welsh Wicipedia since my Welsh is very poor. Complimenti per il tuo italiano! Citterio 9:22, 22 Awst 2006 (Sorry,but I can't sign in Welsh)

Hwyl, You are doing a good job with your articles about Yr Eidal. Ciao Citterio 19:06, 24 Hydref 2006 (UTC)

linking to English Wikipedia pages from Welsh sites[golygu cod y dudalen]

Helo Paul. Diolch am eich cymorth gyda thudalen Karen Louise. I notice that you twice replaced the link to the English Wikipedia Journey South page with a (non-existent) Welsh one. I am new to Wic/kipedia and am therefore asking only out of curiosity why this is the etiquette? Is it to encourage the writing of Welsh pages? Because - purely from an encyclopedic point of view - it seems to me silly not to point the reader in the direction of the available information, and rather create a dead link that looks as if it's going to provide this information but doesn't. As a compromise, would it be acceptible to give a Wikilink in both languages?

Diolch! Rhian

In response to your question:

   what is the point of having a Welsh wicipedia, if you link to pages on the English wikipedia?,

I would say that the point is that we can read the articles that exist in Welsh in Welsh. Those that don't exist in Welsh, we must read in another language, e.g. English. Should we not embrace our multilingualism? I just don't see the point in having dead links. Why say to people "Gweler hefyd", if there's nothing for them to see? But I do accept your point about encouraging the writing of Welsh articles, and so as a compromise, I have changed it again, so that there are two links: one dead link to the Welsh version, and a real link to the English version. Does this make you slightly happier? As soon as someone writes an article about Journey South in Welsh, I will change the link so that it links only to the Welsh article.

I am new to Wicipedia, but I think it's fantastic, and I assure you that (as someone who is passionate about the Welsh language) I will do my best to help the cause by writing new Welsh pages on any topic about which I feel able to contribute. I gather by reading the "hanes" of the Welsh articles that already exist that a great number of these articles have been written by very few dedicated writers. I would like to congratulate you on the fantastic work that you and your fellow-writers have obviously been doing, and I really hope there won't be any bad feelings between us because of this (minor) dispute that we've had!

Pob dymuniad da. Rhian

Coleg y Breninesau, Caergrawnt[golygu cod y dudalen]

Helo eto!

My intention was to create the above page, but by mistake I also seem to have created one entitled "Queens' College, Cambridge" and I'm not sure how to delete it. Could you delete this second one for me please?

Ddrwg iawn gennyf!

Rhian

Dwi wedi trwsio fe drwy ailgyfeirio (#redirect) y Saesneg i'r Gymraeg. Daffy 23:16, 3 Tachwedd 2006 (UTC)

Sysop[golygu cod y dudalen]

Dear Paul, You have been here ages and could easily become a sysop. I proposed on "Y Caffi" a while ago that anyone who was interested should just have to be nominated by one of the other regular users and I or Arwel could then make them a sysop. But so far no one has responded to that suggestion. Then you could keep an eye on the Liverpool page and ban the vandals. Would you like to? Deb 20:46, 7 Tachwedd 2006 (UTC)

Laurel a Hardy[golygu cod y dudalen]

Hi Paul, diolch am y neges. That's another nice mess you've gotten me into stumped me for a while. As usual it's a case of trying to convey both sense and feeling; always a problem with idiomatic expressions in any language. How about, "Dyna stomp bach arall ti 'di gadael fi y'no fo!"? (More formally ".. rwyt ti wedi fy ngadael i ynddo fo", but that wouldn't be used ar lafar). Depends on the tafodiaith as well. As a "Gog" I'm wary o attempting Southern dialect so I won't! Hope that helps. If I can think of something else I'll get back to you. Hwyl, Fôn. Anatiomaros 19:05, 23 Tachwedd 2006 (UTC)

Ffrainc, Yr Eidal ayb.[golygu cod y dudalen]

Helo Paul. Nodaf eich neges. Fe welwch ar dudalen sgwrs "Ffrainc" nad ydw i nac un neu ddau o rai eraill yn teimlo bod enwau fel "Gweriniaeth Ffrengig" a "Gweriniaeth Eidalaidd" yn gyffyrddus yn Gymraeg. Mwy naturiol fuasai "Gweriniaeth Ffrainc". Dyna'r rheswm y newidiais i nhw. 'Dydi'r ffaith bod yr iaith wreiddiol yn defnyddio un gystrawen, fel ansoddair, ddim yn meddwl bod rhaid i bob iaith arall gopïo yn union. Mae cystrawen a steil yn amrywio o iaith i iaith. Ond does gennym ni ddim ffurfiau sefydlog i'r enwau hyn, felly mae lle i drafodaeth. (Gobeithio eich bod yn deall hyn / Hope you can understand this - if not send me a word and I'll explain in English). Hwyl, Siswrn 20:54, 8 Ionawr 2007 (UTC)

Dileuon[golygu cod y dudalen]

Sut mae, Paul. I've done as you asked. It's probably time you were an admin yourself, isn't it? Shall I get someone to nominate you, or would you rather not? Deb 21:27, 24 Mawrth 2007 (UTC)

Sorry I missed that! I've "done" you now, so you should be able to do deletions and blockings. Let me know if you have any problems. Deb 16:35, 26 Mawrth 2007 (UTC)

Categori Unol Daleithiau[golygu cod y dudalen]

Sorry - hadn't seen your note on the yr Unol Daleithiau sgwrs page. I suppose that I must have come across the doubling up of the categories for Unol Daleithiau and Unol Daleithiau America half way through your work, without realising that this was a work in progress. As stated in my edit summaries I was amalgamating the two categories. I have a slight preference for Unol Daleithiau America but not enough to make an issue of it. Since it was me that put a spanner in the works I am quite happy to reverse the category changes I made going to Unol Daleithiau America back to Yr Unol Daleithiau. Is this acceptable? Once again apologies for not looking hard enough before leaping. Lloffiwr 16:11, 12 Ebrill 2007 (UTC)

Want to check again that you do want me to revert the changes to category to yr Unol Daleithiau before I go ahead and tackle this this week - in case I do the wrong thing again! :-) Lloffiwr 22:03, 29 Ebrill 2007 (UTC)

I added the last twist of the spanner (see the category's Sgwrs: "Sgwrs Categori:Yr Unol Daleithiau"). Can we decide on the correct form for the 'states' category as well ('Taleithiau'r UDA' at present)? I'm thinking of doing a blitz on them (just Eginau) and need to know. I'm happy with either 'Unol Daleithiau America' or 'Yr Unol Daleithiau', as long as we decide and stick with it. Cofion, Anatiomaros 22:12, 29 Ebrill 2007 (UTC)

Diolch Paul. What you suggest makes sense and saves a lot of hassle. There are if I recall one or two sub-categories that use UDA/Unol Daleithiau America; I'll change them when I have time, if you haven't already. Diolch eto. Anatiomaros 16:39, 30 Ebrill 2007 (UTC)

Iawn. Have made some tentative changes to infobox, with comment on Sgwrs page. Lloffiwr 21:20, 30 Ebrill 2007 (UTC)

About Delwedd:Dinas Efrog.jpg[golygu cod y dudalen]

Hello Paul, I have transfer the copy of this image to commons, which is called:Image:York city.jpg. However, it seems that there is no templace called nowcommons over here, can you please help me to speedy delete it? Thank you very much. (by zh:User:Chanueting in zh and en wiki) 03:45, 17 Mehefin 2007 (UTC)

Diolch am y nodyn, but don't you think having multiple thumbnails in their own little boxes all over the page looks a bit of a mess? And can they even be classed as thumbnails if the image doesn't enlarge when you click it? Aled.

Virtual categories?[golygu cod y dudalen]

Hi Paul, I don't know if you can help but could you take a look at this, please? The category with a life of its own.... Diolch, Fôn Anatiomaros 18:54, 17 Awst 2007 (UTC)

Eginyn Cymry[golygu cod y dudalen]

Hi Paul, sut mae? As you've probably noticed, I've created a new stub "(Nodyn:)Eginyn Cymry" with a category "Categori:Egin Cymry." However the articles I've placed in it as a test don't come out in order of surname but in the order in which they were categorised by me. Would you know why that is? There's me thinking I'm being clever and perhaps creating more problems than I'd hoped to solve! I suppose it should be a sub-category in the category Egin Cymru as well, but it's already late so I'll leave that till tommorrow. Hope you can be of help. Diolch yn fawr, Fôn. Anatiomaros 23:17, 18 Medi 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll have another look at it tomorrow myself as well; already here much later than planned. Nos da. Anatiomaros 23:38, 18 Medi 2007 (UTC)
Diolch Paul. What did you do to fix it? I'm thinking of creating eginau for Welsh geography and history stubs as well. Is there anything I should be aware of before doing that? We could really do with a range of other eginau as well, just general ones to start, like 'Eginyn Affrica' for instance: the present system of one stub category for everything is next to worthless as it's just too large. Hope you and the rest of the crew agree! Anatiomaros 15:05, 19 Medi 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, I can see where I was going wrong now. Hope all is now well with you and your family. Cofion, Anatiomaros 17:02, 27 Medi 2007 (UTC)

Problem Gwybodlenni[golygu cod y dudalen]

Alli di helpu? Roeddwn yn meddwl y byddai'n hawdd - ond na! Defnyddiwr:Anatiomaros created an article for Arian Breiniol (Currency) as he was fed up with the dead link from the Countries Infobox. I spotted it as a new article and questioned the name as Arian cyfred is a much more common name (I've not seen a refernece to Arian Breiniol anywhere). Anatiomaros told me to go ahead and change it if I want. I renamed the page and edited Nodyn:Gwybodlen Gwlad, thinking this change would then appear on all the countries' infoboxes - but no.... Is there an easy way of getting them all changed without changing all of them manually?--Ben Bore 13:33, 25 Hydref 2007 (UTC)

Bydd rhaid newid y 'tag' ym mhob erthygl os wyt ti'n newid yr enw yma. Y peth hawsaf fydd newid 'teitl' y maes yn y wybodlen yn unig a cadw'r 'tag' (sydd yn y cronfachau cyrliog yn y wybodlen) yr un peth. Yr unig anfantais ydi ei fod yn flêr braidd ac yn gallu drysu pobol! Thaf 13:53, 25 Hydref 2007 (UTC)

Prestatyn a'r cylch[golygu cod y dudalen]

Diolch Paul. It certainly needed improving. Pity I've no book on local history for that area as there's a lot of interesting stuff. I've got a few more tidbits on prehistory I'm going to add but it would be good to have a bit more detail (and some pix!). Anatiomaros 15:02, 30 Hydref 2007 (UTC)

C2[golygu cod y dudalen]

Roeddwn i'n gweld dy fod wedi diogelu erthygl C2 - I realised that most of the imformation is incorrect at present. C2 (the programme) has undergone some radical changes since creating the article - i.e. changes in presenters as such. The information you may need is on the C2 website :[1]. Just i dy hysbysu di. Diolch am yr holl waith rwyt ti wedi bod yn ei wneud tuag at wicipedia!

Match of the Day[golygu cod y dudalen]

S'mai Paul. Beth yw'r rhesymeg o roi cyfieithiad Cymraeg o deitl y rhaglen. Gallaf weld y pwynt os byddai mewn iaith tramor, ond mae bron i bawb sy'n siarad Cymraeg hefyd yn deall Saesneg.
What's the reasoning behind adding a Welsh transalation of the programme's title? I could understand if it were in a foreign language, but almost all Welsh speakers understand English - it looks a bit odd to me. Although it's not quite the same thing, but there was a consensus in a discussion in Y Caffi about not giving a Welsh name to articles where there has never been a Welsh version. --Ben Bore 14:17, 11 Rhagfyr 2007 (UTC)

Gwybodlen Golffiwr[golygu cod y dudalen]

Sut mae Paul? I've made a few minor corrections to the infobox as requested. Looks good! Cofion, Anatiomaros 18:01, 24 Chwefror 2008 (UTC)


Defnyddiwr 212.219.240.38[golygu cod y dudalen]

Dwi'n credu dylid rhoi rhybudd i ddefnyddiwr 212.219.240.38, mae pob un o'i gyfraniadau wedi bod yn fandaliaeth o rhyw fath (hyd yn oed un Robbie Fowler). Mae'r un cyfeiriad IP hefyd wedi bod yn fandaleiddio'r Wikipedia Saeseng ac wedi ei wahardd.--Ben Bore 12:19, 29 Chwefror 2008 (UTC)

Request[golygu cod y dudalen]

Hi there. I've added some more information to the Elaine Paige article but I'm not sure whether it's all grammatically correct. If you have time could you quickly check over it, I have checked over the content but I'm not nearly fluent in Welsh. This would be a great help. Many thanks. 84.69.192.91 14:33, 7 Mawrth 2008 (UTC)

Checked and amended as requested by Paul (had a break for a few days or I'd have done it sooner). :) Anatiomaros 16:20, 10 Mawrth 2008 (UTC)

revert[golygu cod y dudalen]

Hi Paul-L, please don't revert, the user is uploading derived work to flickr and then uploading to wmf-projects. This is a clear copyright violation, please delete his images, please see this page for further information, or contact me, many thanks in advance, best regards, --Spacebirdy 12:15, 24 Mawrth 2008 (UTC)
P.S., the images have been deleted on commons, and the user has been blocked there because he continued. This is why he is now uploading them cross-wiki. Thanks for Your attention, --Spacebirdy 12:18, 24 Mawrth 2008 (UTC)

Electoral Constituencies[golygu cod y dudalen]

Paul-L. I find your attitude offensive! The correct protocol is to discuss a problem before banning a user and thus giving them no right of reply. Your behaviour is unacceptable and I must therefore question your ability to act as an administrator!

Whilst in the process of editing the De Clwyd (etholaeth seneddol); De Clwyd (etholaeth Cynulliad); Wrecsam (etholaeth Cynulliad) and Wrecsam (etholaeth seneddol) constituency pages I discovered that the templates being used were badly coded and were failing to insert the correct fields on the page and displaying the actual codeing. This was obvious to anyone who viewed the pages.

Before I began my editing, the call to the "Gwybodlen Etholaeth Cymru" template on your Welsh constituencies pages read something like:

{{Gwybodlen Etholaeth Cymru |
Enw = xxxx |
Math = Sir |
Map = [[Delwedd:]] |
Creu = 1999 |
AC = xxxx |
Plaid) = [[Y Blaid Lafur (DU)|Llafur]] |
rhanbarth = xxx |
}}

  • Why was there a bracket after the word "Plaid"? The template was not set up to accept this! I notice that since banning me you have now accepted my correction to this!
  • Why did the party name appear as an internal link piped via a short name? The template was not set up to accept this! I notice that since banning me you have now managed to correct your template!
  • Why does the label "rhanbarth" begin with a lower-case letter when all of the other labels begin with upper-case letters? Shouldn't we be aiming for standardisation here? I notice that since banning me you have reintroduced this poor structure.
  • Why did some of your templates Nodyn:<party name>/meta/enwbyr contain the full name of the party? I notice that since banning me you have now accepted my corrections to these!
  • Why did most of your templates Nodyn:<party name>/meta/lliw contain colour hex codes different from those on the English wiki pages? I notice that since banning me you have now accepted my corrections to these!
  • Why do we need to know which "ceremonial county" a constituency is in? The House of Commons Library Papers, the prime source of electoral data in the UK, make no reference to these archaic institutions. I notice that since banning me you have reintroduced this irrelevant information.
  • I renamed your templates Nodyn:Annibynol (gwleidydd)/meta/enwbyr and Nodyn:Annibynol (gwleidydd)/meta/lliw in line with the correct spelling, "Annibynnol". I notice that since banning me you have now accepted my corrections to these!
  • Your Crynodeb Etholiad table template had poorly-condidered width settings. The overall width of the table, and the widths of the individual columns, had had little thought put into them and resulted in text-wrap in both candidate names and party names. I adjusted these to more sensible values. (Fixed pixel widths should be avoided in this situation and percentage values should be used in preference). I notice that since banning me you have now accepted my changes to these!

My changes were simply an exercise in tidying-up poor coding! So please don't criticise me for trying to correct what were other people's (possibly your?) original mistakes! Despite your inane rantings I notice that many of the changes I made have still been retained! No doubt that when you reversed my changes you saw the original errors re-appearing and had to make the changes that I was in the process of making before I was so rudely interupted!

The articles on the Welsh constituencies are in total disarray! There is no uniformity whatsoever, with several different formats of maps, tables and layouts in use and I was merely attempting to apply one, coherent, style to all of the pages.

I accept that the boundaries may have changed in some constituencies but inserting these maps was only a stop-gap excercise. I believe that this was preferable to allowing the text "[[Delwedd:]]" or your coding errors to appear within the articles. The maps I used were the same goup of maps used my Thaf on several of the other Welsh constituency pages, so I simply followed in his style. The more up-to-date maps I would prefer to use are only available on the English wikipedia (by Barryob) and are not, as yet, available on Commons. My next task would have been to move these maps to Commons and to use them on all Welsh constituency pages. However, I notice that since banning me, you are of the same opinion but have blatantly plaguerised Barryob's work rather than use the correct procedure of moving them to Commons and retaining the original tags, or at least giving the original poster credit for his work! There is of course an obvious dilemma here as the election results which appear on the pages for the 1999 and 2003 elections are based on the constituencies' boundaries at that time and, in many cases, will not correspond to maps of the current constituency boundaries! I also notice that the text "Lleoliad <constituencyname> {{{Treiglad}}}" is still appearing on many pages. Do you intend correcting this?

Do you feel that you are the only person allowed to contribute to election pages? I notice that, despite these pages being uploaded over a year ago, you personally have made little attempt to improve them. Also, if you feel that your templates should not be edited I believe that the correct procedure is to apply a lock to them?

Paul-L, you do not have what it takes to be an administrator, and with people like you as administrators of Wici Cymru I have no wish to continue contributing. I'm off! Hwyl!

A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable, but more useful than a life spent doing nothing', (GBS). -- Maelor  18:34, 5 Mai 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Paul. Whilst I don't think you've done anything wrong, technically, in terms of our procedures - which of course don't have to be identical to other wikipedias - I would really hate us to lose a contributor who seems to be acting in good faith. I would appreciate it very much if you could maybe try to come to a compromise with Maelor. Deb 22:05, 5 Mai 2008 (UTC)